I have long thought the left hijacked the term “liberal.” This sort of thing confirms my belief:
A book discussion in Oak Park was canceled Monday after the village’s gay community took offense at the subject matter – that there’s a cure for gayness.
With gay community abuzz, event canceled
Later: Are there cafeteria liberals?
Blithe Spirit 
Seems like we usually see our world through a different window…I have gay members in our extended family and have many as close friends…great human beings who have been cruelly caricacturized…I don’t know the details, but I’m sure the Oak Park gays are correct in claiming that these religiousy courses “curing gayness” are medically and morally absurd on the face of them
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Incorrect, therefore not allowable? To be suppressed? Error has no rights, yes.
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Two points:
First, this reminds me of the many university events that are scratched or avoided because the majority liberal crowd on campus cannot tolerate having other views expressed. Oak Park, land of narrow minds, is similarly afflicted.
Second, ask many a gay man and he will tell you he was never interested in females. I believe them, and so I think the attempt to change someone’s orientation is futile. However, I know one gay man who has been celibate for 25 years because of religious convictions. My guess is that the man claiming to be cured may have been bi-sexual and now suppresses his gay tendencies.
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Oops. Asked a gay man once and he said only, “Something happened.” Sorry.
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I’ve had several gay men in treatment (Psychotherapy) with me, and they were universally unhappy with their sexual “choice.” The problem is most recalcitrant, and I am convinced that its origin is in the physiology of the sufferer. Most gays will quarrell with my assertion about their being unhappy, but those seemingly committed to the gay life would (in my experience) universally like it otherwise. I am willing to concede that there are probably committed gay people who are happy with their total circum-stance. . .but it is a simple fact that I have neverr come across one. In fairness, I must admit that my Private Practice in Psychology (obviously) does not attract many (if any) well-adjusted, happy people. At the very least, people who suffer from serious adjustment problems deserve at least our compassion, if not (maybe even better) our prayers
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Maybe even a way out of their difficulties. In any case, to paraphrase Rodney King, “Can’t we all just talk about it?”
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Looking at the Oak Park ethos today, it’s come a long “liberal” (or just “humane?”) way from the days in the 40s and 50s when gay friends of mine couldn’t show themselves in “proper” society…two of them eventually committed suicide, I’m sure in part from the pain of the repression from that great WASP world of the times…from what I see and sense in Oak Park today, it’s much like that other acculturated community of Evanston…not as neat as in the proper 40s and 50s, but probably more what God’s mercy had in mind!
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Easy on WASPs, ok? Some of my best friends . . .
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Why must any discussion of reparative therapy be silenced? Could it possibly be that the people who oppose it so vehemently sense there may be some validity to it?
I am reminded that before he turned on them so cruelly, Hitler used the homosexual community as enforcers.
Last night I picked up a book published in 1953 by Frank Sheed called Society and Sanity. Maybe it will shed some light on the above subject.
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I know a couple of gay men who seem very happy and are of the most conservative and conventional lifestyle and outlook altogether. Both gents are committed Christians ( Presbyterians), well educated and wonderful company.
What lies under the public face? Beats me.
As for the agenda riddled dopes, both gay and straight -never met a happy one, yet; much less had the time, care or inclination to spend any time with one.
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Agenda-riddled. Perfect. Been looking for that phrase for years.
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Frankly, we were all better off when everyone kept their sexual proclivities to themselves. Homosexuals claim that they just want to be able to live their lives like everyone else, but they never stop sticking their bizarre and, sorry, perverted, lifestyle in our faces every chance they get. They want to upset the normal workings of our time-honored social institutions and to force the rest of us to call their behavior “normal.” It isn’t.
Like all the other Leftists, they never stop pushing their agenda. The rest of us would like to be able to just get on with our lives, but we have to waste so much of it just trying to hang on to the society we were blessedly bequeathed agianst their attempts to undermine it.
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Well, Jim, you’ve given us a tiger by the tail…gays are guaranteed to spark sincere controversy…while some of the commentators sound “threatened” by what they call “the gay agendas,” interesting how my gay friends feel “threatened” by what they consider “THE agenda.” For example as expressed by statements like “… we have to waste so much time trying to hang on to the society we were blessedly bequeathed…” I hear that to say we the majority like it this way — the right way as bequeathed by God Almighty –and so any minorities should stop demanding the same civil rights we straights have…I’m not gay, but frankly I don’t remember anywhere in the Bible where Jesus looked down from the cross and indicated he was dying for just the MAJORITY.
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Hey, here’s an idea…! Jim and I both graduated the same rational Oak Park foundation of learning known as Fenwick… his blog seems to generate a healthy number of right/conservative/republican commentators…stimulating…now may I offer something more center-left at > http;//takingasecondlook.blogspot.com/
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